It’s both – that’s the boring but correct answer. It depends on the context, of course.
In a word like rhythm, for example, we can certainly say that Y functions as a vowel. Otherwise it’d be a word full of consonants, and that just doesn’t work in regular English words. We need at least one open vowel sound to link or end those closed consonant sounds, and in words like rhythm, myth, hymn, fly, and sky, Y performs that function.
If we use it at the beginning of a word or syllable, with the sound we commonly associate with the letter (e.g. young, yesterday), it’s a consonant.
Still, that answer’s not enough for most people. I discovered this recently while watching the episode of the great BBC quiz show Pointless the following clip comes from, in which contestants had to think of countries whose names end in two consonants:
You may have already seen it, as it went viral a while back when the episode aired, and I won’t dwell on Sarah’s answer, because I noticed that in comments on the video (not on Youtube, somewhere on Reddit I believe), people were trying to guess as many of the countries as they could (Pointless gave 18 official possible correct answers by the way: see how many you can guess). Many commenters were correcting people who named Germany and Italy, stating that they couldn’t be accepted because Y functions as a vowel in those two words. Which is kind of logical, except that both were listed among the possible correct answers.
The reason for this is pretty simple. To avoid confusion and controversy, whenever anything involving letters comes up on Pointless, Y is classified as a consonant. And this is also the case linguistically: whenever you see a list of the alphabet divided into vowels and consonants, Y is always with the consonants. The main justification for this is that its consonant sound can’t be replicated by another consonant, whereas its vowel sounds can be replicated by other vowels or diphthongs (hymn – himn, Germany – Germanie/Germanee). So if you really need it to be a consonant or a vowel, it’s a consonant.
Looking back now, the arguments were quite interesting, and revealing of how inflexible people can be about language. I understood the people who dismissed Germany and Italy as possible answers, but I also couldn’t comprehend their angry lack of understanding of why the answers were accepted. Yes, Y is functioning as a vowel in those names, but couldn’t they imagine the controversy and anger of contestants if the programme hadn’t accepted them, given Y is generally considered a consonant? I wonder if such people simply can’t put themselves in other people’s shoes, and imagine people having different levels of knowledge, or looking at that knowledge in a different way. Perhaps in real life they’re more reasonable, but the anonymity of the internet makes them more entrenched in their beliefs.
Interesting also were the armchair linguists who took a little language knowledge and ran away with it on incredible tangents. Like the person who insisted that the T in ballet is a vowel because it’s silent. Clearly the internet makes us more assertive in arguing, and makes us want to “win” arguments more than in real life, where dealing with someone face-to-face makes us more reasonable. Thankfully you all keep things nice and civil here in this little corner of the internet.
So what have we learned today?
- Y can be a consonant or a vowel, depending on how you use it, but if you insist on choosing, it’s a consonant
- It’s important to be civil online, and do some basic fact-checking before you make assertions about things that can be easily looked up
- Paris is not a country and it doesn’t end in two consonants. Poor Sarah
- Don’t get on Mariam’s bad side. Ever!
Oh, such an awkward moment! The reaction was excellent.
Anyway, I can’t agree with people who argue that ‘y’ is a vowel. It just isn’t. I agree it works as one.
An interesting post again Niall! It’s a shame people can’t put themselves in other shoes now and again.
I hope Sarah has got over this now
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I wonder if she and Mariam are still friends π
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I always find your posts so interesting! And as an English student they’re also really helpful!
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Thanks, glad to help π
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Really interesting! In French ‘y’ is considered as a vowel, which I couldn’t believe when a 7-year-old first told me… it’s always been a consonant in my head, even if sometimes used as a vowel.
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It’s the same for me, it’ll always be a consonant first in my mind.
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Umm, any country which ends with ‘…land’? Ire, Switzer, Fin, Swazi, Po, New Zea …
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Also Ice. Thinking about it on the way home in the train, I also found Egypt and Bangladesh, but the latter is only one vowel *sound*.
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And there’s also the Netherlands and several Islands with three consonants.
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I think you’ve got most of them now!
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A list of the countries of the world also has Denmark and Luxemb(o)urg, as well as Hungary if you count Y as a consonant (which I don’t). The other -land is Thai. -stan also means ‘land’ in those languages.
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They counted Hungary as a correct answer, as they always consider Y a consonant on the programme, regardless of its sound, to head off confusion and complaints.
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More thoughts, more systematically: https://neverpureandrarelysimple.wordpress.com/2017/09/15/country-names-ending-with-two-consonants/
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As a student of english linguistics this is quite interesting to me! (your blog in general really is!) I find it so fascinating that people who usually do not care about language would suddenly start heated discussions about a letter. I understand both point of views and really am struggling to take a position here myself π S. xx
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It’s the same for me, that’s why it’s easiest to just say both are correct!
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Great post!
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Thanks π
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I’ve always wondered about this.
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The problem here is that Y is neither a consonant nor a vowel. Consonants and vowels are types of sounds, not types of letters. I think a perfectly reasonable solution, surely acceptable to everyone, would be for Richard to say, “Countries ending with two consonant letters, and as usual we mean the all letters except AEIOU”. They say the thing about countries every time, and no-one moans about that.
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Exactly, that’d be much more straightforward, and useful, as many people want things to be nice and ordered in language with a clear division between consonants and vowels, even if reality doesn’t support that.
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